#I LOVE EVIL GUN BATMAN TIM DRAKE

[casscainmainly]

Evil gun Batman Tim Drake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Red Hood Tim Drake

[littlefankingdom]

~ Batman Detective Comics (2016)

I really like those pages, they demonstrate well how they are a family, with little touches.

First, Tim saying"the only place that ever felt like home", with a cut to the Wayne Manor. That's clear, Tim talks to Bruce about how his family manor is Tim's only home.

And then his brothers show up! They never appeared in the last issues, but suddenly, they're here. Which means that Tim and Bruce, upon realizing that Future Evil Tim is going to their home, they called them to help. Because, who is better to protect their home and Alfred than other people with connection to them? And Dick, Jason and Damian, they immediately showed up. Because that's their home, that's their grandfather, that's their future evil brother, that's their family.

[choaticgypsyvicking]

I made a DC elseworlds I simply called

"BATMAN: JUSTICE RISEING"

Basically in this world some great evil tried to remove the justice league, but ended up leaving batman as he didn't think non powered humans were a threat

So the universe overcorrects bye turning Batman's kids into the justice league

Dick Grayson, born as gra-aey, was sent to earth and raised in the circus was adopted bye Bruce and then developed his powers as a team taking on a name of a kryptonian legend/hero/god NIGHTWING

Jason Todd's story stays the same until right as the explosion that would normally kill him gose off, a green lantern ring saves him and takes him to oa where he trains for years before returning to earth still calm nerdy and fun loveing, but now with trust that needs earned and a weapon that can do anything but especially guns

Tim drakes story also stays the same except on one of his missions with batman he was struck bye lighting in a lab containing a shit ton of chemical and he became the flash

Wonderwoman here is Cassandra Cain daughter of the terrible half Amazon lady Shiva and her equally terrible victim David Cain, with her meeting batman as normally and becoming wonderwoman when Steph briefly takes on the name batgirl

Finally in this universe after Damien Wayne left the leauge of assassin's, became robin, became a vegan, adopted lots of animals, and his best friend Jon Kent whose completely human here, he ends up being chosen as the CHAMPION OF MAGIC (meaning he protects magic, he's not fucking in charge of it guys and he can't cast every spell not make up new ones) and took on the name of the wizard who gifted him his powers, SHAZAM

feel free to add your own with like duke as Aquaman and other such stuff

[forestlingincorporated]

Hey, so I just discovered you and loved all of your rants,

I was curious on your opinion of future evil gun batman Tim, if one was to portray him in a fan fic, what would be the best way to do so?

🥺 You like my rants?

Aaaah, future evil gun batman. Batman of Tomorrow! Savior! (bleh)

Some background on Evil Gun Batman and the Titans of Tomorrow: Titans of Tomorrow is an alternate reality where the Teen Titans had an adventure where they met their evil future selves and swore never to become them, deciding to disband the team to prevent it.

This is the very thing that causes the evil future to begin with. That, and also the great "Crisis" that occurs in their timeline where many of earth's major heroes like Batman and Wonder Woman die. The world goes to shit and the USA is split into East and West. The former Teen Titans regrouped and established a base of operations at their previous Titans Tower HQ in San Francisco.

I have actually written from Batman of Tomorrow's perspective before. I think the biggest thing to bear in mind when portraying Evil Gun Batman Tim Drake is to bear in mind this is Tim at his Literally Actual Lowest Point. If Tim loosing Conner and Bruce was Tim at rock bottom, Evil Gun Batman is Tim getting a shovel and tunneling BELOW rock bottom.

Evil Gun Batman Tim is a Tim Drake who has lost all hope. He's lost MUCH more people, and has grown pessimistic.

Evil Gun Batman has taken on a "for the greater good" / "the ends justify the means" attitude. I would argue his fear of loosing more loved ones has given him control issues that drive him to murder, torture, the creation of a police state, and all sorts of OTHER unethical actions.

And he's notably not under any impression that what he's doing it moral. He knows it's not. But he does believe it's right. He believes they can no longer afford to be moral. He thinks idealistic views of heroism like "killing is wrong" are... cute. Childish. He sees himself as having "grown up" - sensible, practical.

He's not "kind," but he speaks very gently. Very understanding, but... condescending.

There's... also this. The gun is the same one that killed the Waynes, which... to be fair, he has... because Bruce kept it. They're... similar brands of messed up. Normal Tim has a similarly morbid desire for connection; Red Robin Tim purchased the theater where the Waynes died to renovate into a home and base of operations, something Prime Earth reset out of existence and didn't do anything with. And I could see some connection between Evil Gun Batman using the Waynes' murder weapon to Red Robin Tim taking on the "tainted" Red Robin mantel.

He also made memorial cases for the deceased, similar to Jason's memorial. He's very sentimental, self-torturously so.

The next time we see Evil Gun Batman, he's more... insistent on Tim becoming him. Conner and Bart are dead, it's suggested this is a change to their timeline, but Evil Gun Batman successfully cloned Conner AND Bart - which explains why "Bart" is more evil this time around. Their timeline's in jeopardy, Evil Gun Batman is AFRAID that he's going to loose everything he's worked for and the risk of loosing Conner and Bart again is a driving motivator for him. He's PUSHY at this point.

He's also working with Lex in this new timeline - unclear if he was before, at least Evil Superman Conner had been. Lex helped him clone Conner and Bart. This depicts Lex as more of the mastermind behind Tim, someone who swooped in and picked up his pieces and gave Tim a renewed since of direction in a hopeless world.

I imagine their relationship to be similar to Tim and Ra's al Ghul in Red Robin, at least initially - Tim not fully trusting Lex, but willing to work with him to pursue his own goals, and slowly breaking down his own morals one by one along the way.

This version of Lex was more Attached to the concept of Conner and treated Clone Conner as a son.

Also, due to timeline shenanigans, the Teen Titans roster has changed, and Cassandra Cain is just not dead anymore, she's Batwoman and working with Tim and Lex, so, I'm not sure how that happened or how it affects Evil Gun Batman. Maybe she's also a clone! Who could say.

Cassie kisses Tim, and Clone Conner attacks them, which causes Evil Gun Batman to kill him, because if Baby Tim dies so does Adult Tim. This action... causes the Titans of Tomorrow timeline to unravel completely. I guess watching himself kill Conner was the nail in the coffin preventing Baby Tim from ever agreeing with Adult Tim's point of view. Evil future averted!

But oh no.... the future... has been changed... but a new... very similar future... now... exists....

Ignore this completely, they just drop this entirely. This is nothing, it doesn't mean anything, it gets contradicted when Conner returns from the dead anyway, if this was ever a possible future, it's not anymore.

And then Rebirth happens... uh... Evil Gun Batman is also stuck in Oz's... prison... thing. It... directly quotes the previous storyline, lmao.

Conner's back, so that's no longer an integral part of Tim's mental breakdown, but it seems there's been a rift between Tim and his friends. It sounds like Bruce died, Dick walked away from the mantel, Jason was too injured and defeated to take up the mantel, and Damian sort of went crazy as Batman and Tim ended up killing him.

I... I couldn't begin to tell you what, exactly, Kate apparently did to deserve Tim trying to kill her to "set things right." It's very vague.

Evil Gun Batman in this timeline is kinda just... sad. Tired. Doesn't want to be in charge anymore.

And uh... kinda wrapped up in timey whimey bullshit that's warping him through timelines and it's possibly just made him crazy.

He of course tries to kill Jon to prevent a timeline where he, like, explodes and kills a bunch of people, but he ends up taking on Jon's excess energy instead and falls into the time stream or... something.

You could say he's got a... savior complex.

Rebirth Evil Gun Batman seems more like he's actively having a mental breakdown every scene he's in and like his sanity is slipping away from him, compared to New Earth Evil Gun Batman who seems more in control of himself. Rebirth is overtly sad, while New Earth is quietly sad. Rebirth portrays an Evil Gun Batman who treats killing people like a short cut to solving problems, while New Earth has a more nuanced take that's like... the "we should just kill the Joker" argument on steroids.

At the end of the day, I'd say when writing for Evil Gun Batman, remember he's still Tim - just Tim pushed well past his breaking point.

Uuuuh, I hope that helps! At least somewhat, lol.

[evilbatmanisagatewaydrug]

u should rate the batgirls on a scale of most evil to least evil 😈👀

Disclaimer on this: I have not read enough batgirl runs to actually have a valid opinion on this

These also aren’t in order, it’s a 1-10 evil rating scale

Bette Kane Bat-Girl: her batgirl costume gives home made vibes in not a bad way, I think this moreso has to do with the time she was written. It’s nice, I could do a closet cosplay of her and have everyone go “what? Who?”

Taking points away for 1. Having a crush on Dick Grayson, she is leagues above him 2. Hawkfire is just not a good name 3. Enrolled at West Point

Adding evil points for 1. Being born rich

3/10 Could be more evil

Babs the baddie Gordon Batgirl (without the dash): babs is a baddie what else can I say, she slays, she has leagues of hot vigilante women begging to be pegged by her, she has a pathetic mound of sad wet cat men whose prostate she gets to torture. She’s a red head. I have a thing for red heads.

Taking points away for 1. Dick Grayson relationship curse 2. Cop dad (sorry :/) 3. Her time as batgirl isn’t as badass as her time as Oracle, I love to see a good character progression but this isn’t Babs as a finished masterpiece

Adding points for 1. God I really like red heads

6/10 great evil potential, god forbid women do anything

Helena Bertinelli sliding in as what appears to be a technicality: cleaning up where Bruce continuously fails it seems, also a baddie, backstory introduces great possibility for her to be a weird human being (as seen in Birds of Prey movie) (hot)

Deducting points for 1. Goddamnit can we stop trying to fuck dick Grayson

Adding points for 1. Getting shit done when Batman is laying down on the job smdh 2. The mask is hot 3. Too powerful for this world

7/10 evil rating, I think we should give her a gun

Cassandra Cain: every lesbians dream, constantly serving cunty looks, grossly misused by the batfam fandom to be in service of the male characters; like every woman in DC and on this list: deserves better

I cannot deduct points: she is my perfect meow meow, I don’t want to put her in a Pringles can and shake, I want her to do that to me

Adding points: 1. Best fighter 2. (Hot take) in lesbian love with Barbara in such a good way 3. Has not tried to fuck dick Grayson as far as I can tell

10/10 perfectly evil in every way, I don’t want to give her a gun because she doesn’t fucking need one to destroy the world, we are lucky she hasn’t already.

Stephanie Brown: the definition of deserves better, someone really needs to eat this woman out. Give her some PTO. I hope Bruce is paying for every expense as reparations in exchange for NOTHING from her

Deducting points 1. We all saw this coming, fucked Tim Drake

Adding points: 1. Purple baddie 2. Causes trouble for everyone and even herself

6.5/10 Stephanie brown does deserve a gun and some adderall as a treat

Misfit (Charlotte?): first and only person on this “all batgirls in order” list to not be referred by an actual human name, instant sympathy points

Apparently can explode people with her mind so that’s pretty fucking cool

No deductions

Adding for 1. Not fucking dick Grayson

8/10 let her explode more people with her mind

Barbara Wilson: costume fuck so hard

Alfred’s niece apparently, Barbara I’m sorry your existence relies solely on how big of a role Jim Gordon got in the film

4/10 let her explode people with her mind too

Nissa: her character wiki on this list only have one line of text but “batgirl of Neo Gotham” sounds pretty baddass

2/10 live your best life girlie

[cuephrase]

2024 Writing Review

tagged in this by @androxys, tysm!!

number of stories posted to ao3: four- three drabbles, one one-shot and one multi-chap fic

word counted posted for last year: 37, 886!! that's so much for me, crazy (both 2022 and 2023 were around 7k, for comparison)

fandoms i wrote for: batman - all media types, babyyyy. two of the drabbles were very comic specific so i have batman (comics) and nightwing (comics) tagged. wait. lmao that was wrong, i've edited it now, was supposed to be batgirl (comics) someone help me oh my god

pairings: we've got two hits for Tim Drake & Bruce Wayne, then Cassandra Cain & Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson & Everyone, Tim Drake & Jason Todd, Tim Drake & Dick Grayson, Tim Drake & Dick Grayson & Jason Todd, Jason Todd & Bruce Wayne, Dick Grayson & Jason Todd, and Dick Grayson & Bruce Wayne

so, bc that's giving me a headache, five Dick tags, four Tim tags, four Bruce tags, four Jason tags, and one Cass tag. all but three of those are one fic tho lmao.

stories with the most kudos, bookmarks and comment threads: penance, far and away. that fic got (is getting?) so much more love than i could have imagined or hoped for. absolutely mind-blowing fr

work i’m most proud of (and why): okay so this is a tie between penance and plea for two completely opposite reasons! penance is the first multichap fic i've ever completed and that's a huge milestone for me. plea i'm really proud of bc it's only 100 words but i feel like i managed to accomplish absolutely everything i wanted to and it's sooooooo satisfying to me.

work i’m least proud of (and why): hmmmmm. maybe inventory? it was supposed to be fluff and i corrupted it. so that frustrates me when i think about it even though the finished product isn't bad.

share or describe a favorite review you received: oh gosh ummmmm. help. i really loved every comment letting me know they'd cried real tears bc i am Evil. but if i had to choose one comment, i think this one has stuck with me the most (some parts blocked out bc Spoilers)

the fic has an ending spoiler now that it's complete, but when i was posting it i hadn't totally nailed the ending down. that apprehension meant so much to me, that willingness to follow the story- i could be reading into it idk, but i really value the trust that early readers had because, quite frankly, i don't think i had earned it. i also loved that they both couldn't decide what to think about tim and that they liked it- what i was portraying is messy and complicated and i think there's a really fine line there between stuff being ooc or frustrating or exhausting or dissatisfying with that kind of thing, so it was super !!!!! to have successfully walked that line for them!

but my favorite part of this comment is easily "the power of love is truly an ugly and beautiful thing...made me appreciate life". i don't really write romances, but the power of love is one of those things i end up wrestling with thematically a lot because it's just so captivating and it's one of those things i feel like i can't ever find the words for actually, i need you to just feel it and they felt it and- yeah. just yeah. and then writing/storytelling is something i use to help me appreciate life so overall just 🥹😭🫶 x1000

a time when writing was really, really hard: after i finished penance, rip. i got psyched out by all the positive attention and couldn't write 😅. there were plenty of times this year where i just wasn't trying to write so like i guess that was hard, but being paralyzed by overthinking when i had plenty of ideas and wanted to write Sucked. it's okay, i talked to my therapist finger guns

a scene or character you wrote that surprised you: slight penance spoilers lol, but in ch 3, the dick and tim hug surprised me. not that it happened, bc i knew it was going to, but i just had the image of the scene, yk, not like. how it would truly feel to be in dick's headspace in that moment. and omg. it just attacked me. i couldn't stop crying it was so frustrating. i'd pause to collect myself, come back and just nope. the scene is actually shorter than i originally envisioned bc i physically couldn't smh

a favourite excerpt of your writing: oh gosh. um um ummmmmm i really like this bit from ch 1 of penance-

this moment was just incredibly fun for so many reasons, not least of which is that i got to break tim for the first time 😇

how did you grow as a writer last year: i learned that i can, in fact, start and finish something that isn't a one shot. idk if my writing has improved on a technical level at all? but, despite it being a bit of a one step forward, two steps back thing at times, i do think i gained some confidence in my ability to write and that'll be really nice in the long run if i can, yk. take the steps forward without going back.

how do you hope to grow this year: by writing more. i want to actually write things instead of daydreaming and maybe getting down like twenty words and then never looking at it again. at my most ambitious, i build a habit.

who was your greatest positive influence this year as a writer (could be another writer, beta, cheerleader, etc.): oh shoot. i got so much support from so many people i almost don't know where to start. i am so beyond grateful to everyone who has supported me, and i'm going to single out @a-canceled-stamp, @canonicallyshort, and @koraesrambles for enabling the crap out of me. love you guys sm!!!! (that extends to everyone not just those three ofc!!)

anything from your real life show up in your writing last year: the grieving process haha.

any new wisdom you can share with other writers: oh gosh ummmmmm. follow your gut. forget about audience, and rules, and whatever- if you know the story you want to tell, tell that story. just get it out. it deserves to be told.

any projects you’re looking to start (or finish) this year: the sequel to penance. my jason fic, my dick fic. i don't want to get ahead of myself or anything, but i hope i've got a handful of fics to look back on next year!!

no pressure tagging @sunflowersandink, @goldenraeofsun, @fleur-de-violette, @byrambles, and @elegitre (plus everyone already tagged)!!

[confusedguytoo]

I’m a pretty strong defender of Willow in Buffy but I do wonder if people realize that I do see her flaws.  I just think the show shouldn’t really have dealt with them

People have flaws. They don’t all get dealt with or take you over or everyone would be perfect or evil by the time they die.

It’s kind of like with Tim Drake in DC or Kitty Pryde in Marvel.

Fans joke about Future Tim constantly being Evil Gun Batman because of a bad future version of him in official canon.  There’s posts on here that call him morally grey at best.  People joke about him carrying a sticky note written by Batman to remind him of the Batffamily’s policy on murder.  The darkness is there and it’s recognized, but the current version of the character never actually succumbs to it

Similar with Kitty.  In the recent Sins of Sinister storyline, in the bad future it  was declared that stripped of her morals she was one of the cruelest mutants out there.  In the 80s villains with major plans loved the idea of corrupting her.  In the 90s they made her the Black Queen of the Hellfire Club in the Mutant X-verse.  And readers acknowledged some of it too.  X-men fanfic in the 90s made reference to it.  I remember one story where the writer had Wolverine say that if Kitty was kicked off the X-men for being to young, based on her personality and the life mutants lead she’d be back in five years acting like Emma Frost without the bleach  job(and based on timing this would have early 80s Emma) and another where instead of attacking Pete Wisdom when he sees him and Kitty kissing, Colossus realizes if Kitty didn’t want him kissing her she’d have force fed him his testicles. And then gotten angry

People see it acknowledge it, but the writers basically never intend for the bad turn to happen

[ktkat99]

Something occured to me and now I need to share.

A highly trained, highly skilled combat expert with a dark aesthetic (Batman, Avacato) is completely helpless to stop both members of his family from dying (Bruce's parents getting gunned down, Avacato's wife and son dying in childbirth) from dying and impulsively decides to adopt a young boy (Dick Greyson, Little Cato) who was also helpless to stop his family from dying. He and his adopted son team up with an upbeat, cheerful, sunshine-type man (Superman, Gary) who has the ability to cause mass destruction, but really just wants friends and family.

The adopted son loves and looks up to his father very much despite the sheer number of times he's been kidnapped or nearly killed by people trying to get to his father through him. He eventually hero worships the upbeat, cheerful sunshine-type man his father is friends with, who in turn sees the boy as a son and helps the dark, grumpy man co-parent him.

They then team up with a very determined no-nonsense woman, (Wonder Woman, Quinn) who can sometimes be goofy, teasing, and playful, who was born and raised to be a strong member of the military. She eventually grows very close to the two men and they form a team in order to save and protect earth.

The son, who is also skilled at combat, is determined to hunt down and kill the one responsible for making him an orphan (Zucco, Lord Commander), but the man ends up surviving.

They team up with a green alien who likes sweets (Martian Manhunter, Mooncake), and another green teammate who they all find a bit self-centered and annoying (Guy Gardner, Tribore).

They then take in a teenage boy (Jason Todd, Fox) who is built like a tank and had to leave behind his love of the classic arts in favor of becoming a weapon, despite the fact that all he ever wanted was a loving family. He eventually dies very tragically in front of his adopted father figure, who blames himself.

They also take in an awkward, adorable teen (Tim Drake, Ash) who starts off a bit creepy stalker-y with the first adopted son, but over time grows to be close friends with him. They are revealed to be queer, and romantically interested in an alien. They are also the one chosen to be mind puppeted by the main bad guy, and later snap and potentially turn evil.

The youngest (Damian Wayne, Quatro) is a traditional warrior who was basically born expertly waving around weapons.

I know there are other similarities, but I just had to get this out before I forgot anything. Idk, might add to it later.

[joompheart]

I am a BATMANIAC I love BATMAN this sucks because Batman is DUMB AS HELL when he should not be in fact he should be smart as a whip but then if he’s smart as a whip he wouldn’t do all the really viscerally satisfying fan service stuff!!

I have a fantasy of my ideal Batman who works really hard to play the role. He’s been in the game for years but stayed close enough to the ground figuratively speaking that almost nobody outside of Gotham thinks he’s real. He helped found the JLA but left after the first year of that organization and isn’t acknowledged in any of their records. Most of his rouges gallery are actually on okay terms with him. He’s got a middlingly sized bat-family where most everyone actually likes him.

He’s subtle. He spends most of his time doing detective stuff. 6/7ths of his time is spent on terrestrial, normal human stuff like organized crime and working to negate small scale stuff like murder and blackmail. He has to do a lot of the work himself in the rain with binoculars and directed microphones because there aren’t cameras through most of Gotham. He has a grapnel gun and reactive cape like in the Arkham games and the dark knight trilogy, but he also keeps his old fashioned manual grapple hook to swing from gargoyles across the rooftops. His Batmobile and batwing (Bat-plane?) and bat-subway rocket (like in Knightfall) and any other vehicles are made to be as quiet as possible. This doesn’t mean they’re silent, or even close to silent depending on the vehicle, but they’re as low profile as they can be.

He takes the time and effort to preserve his myth and do his research so he really is scary when it counts. Sure “the Bat-Man” has been spotted on a couple of high profile occasions, but that was years ago. Besides, do you really believe the people who said they saw it? So when a mobster or whatever gets snatched out of an alley, it COULD have been Batman. Or it could’ve been something else. Gotham is an old, old, city build on haunted, cursed land with foundations sinking into older, more evil foundations sinking into…

Within the his circle though, there’s little pretense. The people who know that Bruce Wayne is Batman FOR SURE are:

Alfred Pennyworth, Dick Grayson (Nightwing), Jason Todd (Ressurected Red Hood), Tim Drake (Red Robin is such a dumb fucking name and it doesn’t make sense for the maximum efficiency world of the bat-family because it overlaps with Red Hood and Robin. I think of him as “Cardinal,” which I think is appropriate as a bird that kinda looks like a robin but is way more red), Damian Wayne (Robin), Cassandra Cain (Batgirl), Barbra Gordon (Oracle). Bane (of course), and bane’s inner circle of Bird, Zombie, and Trogg. Last, the Founding members of the JLA, so at least Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash. I haven’t settled on the other members, but it’d be 7 counting Batman. Catwoman might be on the list idk how I wanna play it. Batwoman almost certainly is, but I’m not familiar enough with her to make that call yet. At the very least she’d know quickly in the story. Idk if she’d let her lesbionic partner Renee Montoya/ Question in on it either, as I also don’t really know shit about her beyond some appearances in a supporting role as a detective.

The Riddler basically knows but is kept in check in sort of the same way he was at the end of Hush (which probably happened in some capacity in this fantasy continuity). Besides, he, and many of his fellow villains have less destructive interests these days (though they are definitely still dangerous and regularly spend time at the asylum. But the asylum has more actual asylum stuff than ever and has made progress to some extent with many of the regular patients. There’s still some mad science and unethical treatment from time to time though :]). Riddler has a lot of online stuff going on, and while he’ll still hijack the city from time to time it’s usually an effort to “raise the collective intelligence” of its citizens through high stakes games rather than just “solve my riddles so I don’t blow up a hospital for ransom Batman!!!”

Basil Carlo/ Clayface is mostly aligned with a Gotham theatre troupe now, and has earned minor local prestige for his performances and how he can take advantage of his powers to enhance them. He’ll still knock over a bank for cash or get roped into a collaborative scheme, but if anything that kinda endears him to many of the performers and techs.

Pamela Isley / Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn are deep in lesbionics and bounce around a couple cities doing ecoterrorism and animal welfare stuff. Human endangerment brings in Batman and the asylum will keep them like the rest of the gallery because that’s the only place with the specialized facilities. But they’re also generally looked upon fondly.

Dr. Victor Fries/ Mr. Freeze is doing better than ever. He actually managed to save Nora Fries but the process makes her need to stay sub-zero like him. She’s TOTALLY into it (and now bald like him). They’re now a husband and wife team doing bleeding edge research and occasional mad science with everything to do with the concept of “cold.” The have a private lab that’s partially funded by Wayne enterprises but the Fries’ never let Wayne have much influence over their work, as he frequently has moral objections and safety concerns. They do villainy but they’re also leading scientists who Batman alternately admires and values and opposes.

Waylon Jones/ Killer Croc doesn’t do much cannibalism these days. He bounces around crime families and on rare occasions subs in as a cook in mob controlled kitchens. He still enjoys villain team-up schemes, but values comfort and simple pleasures in his day to day. Croc does whatever he wants. One day he’s doing meat prep for Bane’s cookout in Gotham’s Santa Priscan enclave, the next he’s standing in as muscle for one of Penguin’s arms deals, the next he’s playing cards in Black Mask’s strip club. People know of Croc, and the people who actually spend time with him generally like him. When he’s busted he spends time in Arkham reading cookbooks abd other assorted literature, and paints. He’ll still eat a motherfucker raw though.

Batman is definitely a bat-dad now, if a little brooding and distant. He’s in just the last few years of his already ridiculously long lasting prime, and his children are already surpassing him in specific ways, like Jason being stronger and meaner and more organized (somehow lol), Dick being more agile and overall physically effective with a subtle knack for detective work, Tim and Barbra being smarter and more useful with technology by more and more as the months pass, Cassandra and Damian’s strength coming in to match their long superior fighting technique, etc. etc.Bruce is only staying ahead by being the most well rounded and experienced. Alfred is right on the cusp of retirement. Julia Pennyworth is somewhere and occasionally in touch, but sure as hell isn’t stepping in to replace her dad as “home base.”

His family all take the mission seriously (to one degree or another). Certainly more seriously than nearly anyone else in the broader JLA and “superhero community.” They all eventually, for their own reasons if not through direct training, took it to heart that their only way to stay ahead in their world is to be prepared and fight dirty. They all have their strong suits but can also preform well in all of the “bat-family” skills of fighting, stealth, and detective work. This is satisfying on its own, but I’ll admit a lot of it is hoping for a “booyah” moment when one of Batman’s kids just SMOKES some chump JLA member at whatever objective.

To wrap up (as I really ought to Jesus) the fan service stuff I was whining about at the start of the post is basically me moaning that if they really were smart and focused on efficiency and subtle work, the bat family would never all be in one place for a cool “yeah there are like 12 of us” moment outside of the Batcave or a dedicated out of costume vacation. Most of them aren’t even in Gotham except for rare visits home! Whatever. Whatever. I’ll make it happen. I’ll make the Batman who can be serious and also make silly animated series one liners and even dry jokes if my dreams someday. With a Joker who’s actually funny!! I love funny joker who does audacious schemes for money and announces them ahead of time to invite people to stop him!! I don’t care about scary joker anymore I know he was always supposed to be subtly serious and scary but I don’t care anymore I was to laugh with him!!!

[cleromancy]

I know we love Jaytim, but consider Arkham Knight Jason x Joker Jr. Tim Drake being shipped together.

gut reaction is "pass," tbh. just bc i dont usually like what writers do with jj like... hes boringk :/ any time i read a jj concept im like god this sucks im going to go watch return of the joker which didn't suck. and then i go do that

someone could make it work and a couple ideas came to mind for me that i could get behind but im not going to follow that trail of ideas my own self bc idwt put the effort in my own self bc i would simply rather it was like any other tim

like idk do evil gun batman future tim or somfing x ak jason. im not even particularly compelled by evil gun batman tim but i feel like since it *keeps fjucking happening* we should start giving them to jasons. gift wrapped if possible

[thy-valhallen]

genuinely, so funny to call the Batfam "soldiers," like bruh, the defining characteristic of ANY Robin is the physical inability to listen to orders. no Batfam member, Batman included, is capable of listening to orders-- someone tells them what to do, and you have about five minutes tops before they've either martyred themself somehow, weaseled their way out of listening through cheap loopholes in wording, or just blatantly disregarded the instructions given to them.

fuckin' "Batfam are soldiers" my ass, look at Dick "Bruce spent the first few weeks trying to make him just go to bed" Grayson, Jason "fuck you dad, I'm already on a plane to Ethiopia" Todd, and Tim "idgaf if I don't have bulletproof clothes, I'm still going to be Robin" Drake as exhibits A, B, and C against that case; if you need supporting evidence, I'll direct you to Stephanie "cool, I'm Robin! I'm also Jared, 19, and didn't read the instructions on this funky planning sheet so oops, it's war time now" Brown.

hell, the closest two I'd say there are to soldiers are the literal child soldiers raised by other people to be child soldiers who are now in their rebellious teen phase against being evil; Cass ran away from being a weapon to go do ballet in her spare time, for fuck's sake. make no mistake, Damian's the worst of them all, though, because where the others are predictable in what instructions they won't listen to, Damian will listen dutifully half the time in the field until Hubris strikes and he goes "cool, time for the twelve year old with a katana to rush the row of machine guns while dosed in fear toxin"

... i love them

I love when people refer to the Batkids as "soldiers" because, yeah, Bruce trained them hard and they're capable of working in a team, etc but soldiers are absolutely not allowed to be free thinkers. They tend to be obedient by nature. I cannot think of a fictional family that's more prone to just flying off the handle and doing their own thing than the Batfamily.

[hotenemyshape]

Based on the fic 'your legacy’s not yours to see, nor is your eulogy' by @softcactus

[stealingyourbones]

Hi! 💙💙💙 How have you been?

*gently hands you a bowl decorated with rat ribs together with a spoon made out of a mammoth's tibia*

Soooooooooooo, you know how when Joker kidnapped Tim Drake in that one movie, he planted some kind of chip that will program Tim to become the Joker when he grows up/when it becomes activated? Like, it wasn't enough he was Joker Junior? The Joker actually had a contingency for when he dies so that The Joker character never actually dies? (holy shittttt)

WHAT IF when Jason came back to Gotham, or goes to Titans Tower to beat Tim up, the ectoplasm that Jason had in him somehow tranfers to Tim when Tim tried to fight back?

AND THEN the ectoplasm activates the chip?

Instead of the chip controlling Tim to act or behave like the Joker, THE CHIP INSTEAD SIZZLES AND PHASES OUT OF TIM, AND CREATES GHOST JOKER INITIALLY MADE UP OF CORRUPTED ECTOPLASM. *EVIL CACKLING*

*ehem*

Of course, it doesn't happen in a day. It takes WEEKS for this ghost to take form, naturally migrating to Gotham and gathering all the ectoplasm it needs to purify its corrupted core, naturally, on its own, and develop its own consciousness/cognition/awareness/whatever it means to develop a sense of self.

First, it felt empty. Without an obsession. A purpose for its existence.

And then, it saw Batman. It saw Nightwing doing a quadruple somersault.

And, it saw Robin trying (and failing) to go on patrol despite his injuries.

This ghost quietly drifts behind them with fascination and wonder, and little bits of an obsession forming. The obsession continues to form the more this ghost watches the little Robin.

(Well, this ghost doesn't know. Even if it was formed from the chip made by OG!Joker, it did come out of little Tim Drake, who had loved the idea of Robin and what it stood for more than the Bat.)

And then, the Red Hood saw him.

"Joker," the Red Hood growls, guns ready in his hands.

Joker. Yes. That sounds right. That sounds exactly what he should be.

"Looks like being dead can't keep you from obsessing over Batman, huh?"

Batman? No. That doesn't sound right. Perhaps he's fascinated. But obsess over the Batman? No, no, no...

The ghost, Joker, tilts his head. He sees the Red Hood stiffen, and he wonders what kind of expression he's making.

"Not Batman." He giggles, and laughs, and pictures a little Robin losing every little piece of light he's supposed to represent.

Light. Robin is the light. A bright light full of laughter, stubborness, and hope.

This ghost has a small memory of this little Robin bleeding beautifully in his own blood... Still stubbornly bright no matter how much pain the little Robin was receiving...

Yes.

The Joker just knows that it was born from that beautiful pain. And he's born to destroy that beautiful light.

One day, he will. He will capture the little Robin and make that light his... Or snuff it out until he's Robin no more! Yes!

Robin grapples past the alley he and Red Hood was in. And, in a blink of an eye, the Joker turns invisible, his laughs continuously echoing even when he's left.

***

For the first time since the incident in the tower, the Red Hood appears in the Batcave, mask off and face grim.

Bruce pushes Tim behind him. Nightwing tenses where he stands. Tim wants violence vengeance to beat Jason up or kick him in the crotch waits quietly behind Bruce with narrowed eyes.

Red Hood-- Jason didn't care.

"The Joker is back."

***

Welp, this got long! 😂 But please have this! 💙💙💙I hope you're doing okay 💙 Drinking lots of water, getting lots of sleep, and eating lots of good food 💙

the movie you're referencing is Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker

how many qualities does this version of Joker retain from Tim? Does he resemble the Joker or does he look like a very young Joker that looks the same age as Tim, the same way he looks relatively the same age as Tim in the BB:RotJ movie? There are so many fun ways to mess around with this prompt. Go ham y'all

[xrawanger007]

So I was having a conversation with a bunch of Batfamily fans, and the discussion was that there are too many Batfamily characters, do you agree? Yes or No? And I was like no they aren’t a lot, it’s just DC don’t know, or have the resources to put every character in a book consistently, and if they did fans would get annoyed that it’s only Batfamily characters, which fair. And then it came down to who would you have in your Batfamily? And you only get 7 characters, and I was like, damn that is a hard choice, mainly because I had differing choices of who would be Batman, and the time period of the Batfamily, but like my current time Batfamily would be: Bruce Wayne as Batman Dick Grayson as Nightwing Barbara Gordon as Oracle Tim Drake as Red Robin Stephanie Brown as Batgirl Cassandra Cain as Black Bat Helena Wayne as Robin Now I know, what you may be thinking, ‘No Damian or Jason? Wrong’ And I would mostly agree with you. But, while I’m interested that Jason isn’t using guns or killing anymore I think it takes a big part away from him, in terms as a character, especially as Red Hood. And Damian.... while he is more popular than probably all the listed characters barring Bruce and Dick due to his exposure in media outside of comics, I argue that DC writers don’t really like him, as once one part of his character development ends he just reverts to killing and being Damian from when he was first introduced... and I wasn’t exactly fond of Damian back then. Plus, I think Jason works better as a character who died, as in he adds more to Bruce’s and Batman’s legacy as a kid who died. And Damian, I don’t know he’s Robin, but he’s also not? Well, same with Tim to be honest, although it’s more, he acts like Red Robin, kinda, but is Robin. Also, I like the fact that I picked Helena as I believe she is a character who could be great. She would be a great Robin, depending on the Batman as well, and it would mean you get a mainstream female Robin who isn’t from an alternate future or simply Robin for about 73 days and then killed off in a real shitty way, just to further a love interests downfall into self-doubt aaaand then retcon it four years later. Okay, so I’m not over War Games and Steph’s Death. But my Future State or just future Batfamily in general would be: Tim Drake as Batman Cassandra Cain as Batwoman Stephanie Brown as Nightwing Helena Wayne as Huntress Terry McGinnis as Robin And then add more characters, like their own kids or just introduce new characters, to fill the gaps that Bruce, Dick, and Babs would have left when they retire, yes retire, don’t kill any of them, or turn into... *Shudder* Ric Grayson. And I’m going to defend my Tim as Batman, as while he has always been depicted as evil if he did become Batman, except when he became Batman Beyond, I argue that’s when all his family is dead and has lost hope, but in this alternate reality he still has his older sister, Cass, his younger sister, Helena, his dad, Bruce, his brother, Dick, and long term love interest/best friend/possibly wife, Stephanie. (More than likely his love interest though, I can’t help myself) so I don’t think he would go evil, and his Robin would be an opposite to him so their dynamics and personalities wouldn’t collide.

But yeah that’s just me.  Also, my Future Justice League would look like this: Tim Drake as Batman Donna Troy as Wonder Woman Karen Starr as Superwoman M’gann M’orzz as Martian Manhunter Wally West as Flash Conner Hawke as Green Arrow Jessica Cruz as Green Lantern Koriand’r as Starfire Lorena Marquez as Aquawoman Rachel Roth as Raven Kyle Rayner as White Lantern And again, that’s just my opinion, and if you want comment your own.

[daydreaming-rat-man]

I love that we as a community all know the only thing keeping Tim Drake from committing more acts of domestic terrorism is just

“I don’t want to become evil gun batman”

With the rise in panels of Tim going all unhinged 'I could kill someone' here's this

[jmoriarty-221b]

Ok so I’m reading Titans Tower AUs where Jason goes ‘kill the Replacement’ straight to ‘must protecc the child’ real quick (those are the best) and I just read the part of the dialogue where Tim tells Jason that he’s been cleaning up Gotham ‘the easy way’ in reference to how the Red Hood is a killer

And now I’m thinking of this piece of dialogue in a new light because, what if Tim Meant that literally like “have you ever had to disembowel someone with just a spoon???? No, you use guns to kill people and actual knives to decapitate their heads instead, you noob. Only real killers know how to decapitate someone with a pencil and let me tell you that it’s harder than it seems”

Meanwhile Jason is all offended because did Robin, the one who follows Batman’s no kill rule, just criticize him on how he kills people instead of criticizing him for, you know, actually Killing people???

I can just imagine this conversation is going on in the kitchen of Titans Tower with Tim in his pajamas and Jason in full Red Hood gear in the doorway because this was supposed to be an ambush but now he’s actually kinda offended because of course he could kill someone with a spoon and threatens Tim again only for Tim to flip that Uno Reverse card and literally arm himself with a spoon, brandishing it in front of himself like it’s a knife, and just going like ‘bitch I’m not Robin right now so let’s go, I’ve been a little out of practice and it’s so nice of you to offer to be my next victim’ with a little creepy grin on his face and suddenly Jason feels the embodiment of the meme: *nervous laughter* “what the fuck”

Somehow, Tim manages to pry Hood’s helmet open with the goddamned spoon and hey, Jason should really buy some silverware like that and he’s half tempted to ask Tim where he bought it from, and damn who knew a spoon would be such an effective weapon and oh my god this kid is actually crazy why does he know how to use a spoon as a weapon Jason better not go out via spoon now that’s just embarrassing; at this point there would be no life threatening injuries on either one of them, though Jason did manage to cut the kid’s throat at some point and got a spoon to the shoulder for his troubles but now they’re both tired, the Pit of Green Juice is quiet in the back of Jason’s head and ok, maybe he can, begrudgingly, admit to being impressed at how well Tim can fight with a spoon but it’s mostly just concern as to why he knows how to fight with a spoon and Tim is just like ‘Look Jason, yes I know, don’t look at me like that, just, let’s call it a truce and go patch up because I don’t want to kill you but I will have no problem strangling you with your own intestines if you keep trying to kill me ok? Ok’ and at this point Jason really doesn’t think the kid’s joking all that much so he agrees to the truce between them (let’s face it, having the Big Bad Red Hood get taken out via spoon would just be so embarrassing that Jason wouldn’t find peace even in death)

And it’s not until they’re both patched up that Jason decides it’s safe enough to ask about why Tim said that he’s not Robin right now (there’s no more spoon in Tim’s hands but he’s still on alert because the kid is just insane enough to try and bite him); and Tim’s like “uh, yeah I follow B’s moral code as Robin but I’m not particularly attached to it? Like, it’s not my moral code, whatever that is, and I’m not actually part of the family so just think of me as more of a close coworker? Anyway, I am and will always be a Drake, my family motto is literally ‘May Our Enemies Choke on Their Blood While Our Hands Remain Clean’ so you can get a picture of how I grew up, and to answer your questions, yes I have killed people, no I don’t really regret it, they were really bad people, yes i will throw hands again, no the Bats have no idea, and yes I have had to decapitate someone with just a pencil and disemboweled someone with a spoon, so yes I am actually qualified to complain about how easy you people with guns and knives have it when it comes to killing people because I would’ve loved to have had at least a pocket knife back then, hell I would’ve taken a sharp icicle but no, the only thing available was a pencil so I had to make do, also no, I really don’t want to kill you, I actually like you but please stop coming after me and we can just meet up to kill some of the more evil Rogues sometimes, we can even make it look like an accident”

Jason is just so Shooketh at this point that he will just focus on the last sentence for now because he doesn’t have the brain power to battle through that dump of information right now so he’s like ‘what would you know about setting up accidents Timbit’ cue Tim being like ‘well, it wouldn’t be all that hard to just mislabel a few chemicals in Joker’s newest hideout and have him blow himself up while trying to make a batch of Joker Gas, a sort of poetic justice when you think about it’

Basically, an AU where Tim wasn’t trained by Bruce first so he has a different moral code (whatever it is) and has been in just enough crazy situations to warrant his bizarre skills with a spoon